--- title: "That UFO Whistleblower Apparently Refused Pentagon Interviews" description: "That outlandish UFO whistleblower never came in to talk to the Pentagon's UFO office, the department's outgoing chief is claiming. " date: "2023-11-13" modified: "2023-11-13" authors: - name: "Noor Al-Sibai" job_title: "Senior Staff Writer" link: "https://futurism.com/authors/nooralsibai" url: "https://futurism.com/the-byte/ufo-whistleblower-pentagon-interviews" categories: - "Off-World" - "Space" tags: - "the digest" - "the pentagon" - "uaps" - "ufos" --- # That UFO Whistleblower Apparently Refused Pentagon Interviews ![That outlandish UFO whistleblower never came in to talk to the Pentagon's UFO office, the department's outgoing chief is claiming. ]() *\Image: Getty / Futurism\* ## Out of this World That outlandish UFO whistleblower never came in to talk to the Pentagon's UFO office, the department's outgoing chief is claiming. In a [new interview with *Politico*](), Sean Kirkpatrick, the outgoing head of the Pentagon's All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO), said that try as he might, he hasn't been able to talk to [David Grusch](), an Air Force veteran and former military intelligence official who has some pretty wild allegations about the government's knowledge of aliens. "Grusch is a unique instance," Kirkpatrick said, "in that he has refused to come and share any of that information." Over the summer, the whistleblower made headlines when he told Congress during its [unprecedented UFO hearings]() that the United States has conducted a massive, decades-long coverup of its knowledge of extraterrestrial life and technology. In his testimony, Grusch went so far as to claim that the US government is *in possession* of said alien tech and [has even reverse-engineered it]() for its own ends — which sounds more like something out of an "X-Files" episode from the 1990s than a front-page newspaper story. ## He Said, He Said Unsurprisingly, [Kirkpatrick]() and [other experts](), including [regretful]() space traveler [William Shatner](), shredded the [whistleblower's sci-fi-esque claims]() — though in a hearing just before his resignation, the ex-AARO head did admit that Grusch's claims may contain some "[events that really happened]()." In spite of what sounds like significant interest, Kirkpatrick said that the AARO under his leadership was ultimately unable to get Grusch in for interviews about his claims. "We still can’t get him to come in," the outgoing AARO director said. "We’re about to put out Volume One of the historical review, which I believe captures most all of the people that he’s spoken with, but I can’t say that 100 percent because I can’t hear what he thinks he has." Grusch, for his part, [told *NewsNation*]() before Kirkpatrick's resignation that the AARO had not reached out to him and was lying about their efforts. "I have zero emails or calls from them," Grusch said. "That is a lie." All the same, it seems like the whistleblower may be the one that got away from Kirkpatrick. "If \[Grusch\] has evidence," the defense intelligence veteran told *Politico*, "I need to know what that is." It looks like "[Dr. K]()," as he was known to his team at the Department of Defense, won't be the one to get that information out of Grusch — and given the whistleblower's own stubborn posturing, it's unclear if anyone at the Pentagon will be able to, either. **More on UFOs:** [*One in Five Professors Say They’ve Had a UFO Encounter, Survey Finds*]() ## Author At Futurism, I've often been drawn to unpacking the narratives that underlie technological, scientific and medical progress, with a special interest in areas of conflict and ambiguity that end up setting agendas and steering the fates of both elites and the hoi polloi. I'm a committed generalist, but I often find myself returning to work involving NASA and the private space sector, the effects of AI on media and society, and the mechanics of the pharmaceutical industry, with a specific focus on the spread of GLP-1 drugs like Ozempic and Wegovy. Prior to Futurism, I worked for publications ranging from Media Matters and Truthdig to Raw Story and Bustle. I'm also the author of "Myspace Scene Queens," a 2024 title in Instar Books' acclaimed "Remember the Internet" series. My work at Futurism has been cited by outlets including the New Yorker, Slate, Nieman Lab, the Verge, the MIT Technology Review, the Sunday Times, and the Daily Beast. I grew up in North Carolina, attended the University of North Carolina at Asheville, and now live in Brooklyn, New York. In my free time, I'm an avid reader and music fan; you can probably find me at a local poetry reading, concert, underground rave, or DJ set. I'm the proud parent of an ineffable orange cat named Mee-Mow. ### Author social links [Bluesky]()